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<blockquote>His disciples said, "Show us the place where you are, for we must seek it." 2 He said to them, "Anyone here with two ears had better listen! 3 There is light within a person of light, and it shines on the whole world. If it does not shine, it is dark." [Complete Gospels] </blockquote>
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<blockquote>His disciples said, "Show us the place where you are, for we must seek it." 2 He said to them, "Anyone here with two ears had better listen! 3 There is light within a person of light, and it shines on the whole world. If it does not shine, it is dark." [Complete Gospels] </blockquote><br>
  
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εἶπεν οὖν αὐτοῖς ὁ Ἰησοῦς· ἔτι μικρὸν χρόνον τὸ φῶς ἐν ὑμῖν ἐστιν. περιπατεῖτε ὡς τὸ φῶς ἔχετε, ἵνα μὴ σκοτία ὑμᾶς καταλάβῃ· καὶ ὁ περιπατῶν ἐν τῇ σκοτίᾳ οὐκ οἶδεν ποῦ ὑπάγει. ὡς τὸ φῶς ἔχετε, πιστεύετε εἰς τὸ φῶς, ἵνα υἱοὶ φωτὸς γένησθε. ταῦτα ἐλάλησεν Ἰησοῦς, καὶ ἀπελθὼν ἐκρύβη ἀπ᾿ αὐτῶν. (John 12:35–36 GNT-T)
 
εἶπεν οὖν αὐτοῖς ὁ Ἰησοῦς· ἔτι μικρὸν χρόνον τὸ φῶς ἐν ὑμῖν ἐστιν. περιπατεῖτε ὡς τὸ φῶς ἔχετε, ἵνα μὴ σκοτία ὑμᾶς καταλάβῃ· καὶ ὁ περιπατῶν ἐν τῇ σκοτίᾳ οὐκ οἶδεν ποῦ ὑπάγει. ὡς τὸ φῶς ἔχετε, πιστεύετε εἰς τὸ φῶς, ἵνα υἱοὶ φωτὸς γένησθε. ταῦτα ἐλάλησεν Ἰησοῦς, καὶ ἀπελθὼν ἐκρύβη ἀπ᾿ αὐτῶν. (John 12:35–36 GNT-T)
 
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===John Dominic Crossan===
 
 
Crossan understands the core saying as deriving from Jesus, but addressed in the first instance to his followers as the ones in and through whom the world's light would be made available to others. As such he relates it to several other sayings about the "open secret:"
 
 
<blockquote>The complex [[036 Lamp and Bushel]] [1/3] makes the same case but with more limited and less rhapsodic metaphor. The complexes [[078 The Mountain City]] [1/2] and [[079 Open Proclamation]] [1/2] speak the same vision. The missionaries have a message that is neither private nor clandestine, neither hidden nor occult, neither secret nor mysterious. [''Historical Jesus'', 349] </blockquote>
 
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* <span style="font-weight: bold;">Thom 24:3</span><br style="font-weight: bold;" />
 
* <span style="font-weight: bold;">Matt 5:14a</span><br style="font-weight: bold;" />
 
* <span style="font-weight: bold;">John 8:12</span><br style="font-weight: bold;" />
 
* <span style="font-weight: bold;">John 12:35-36</span><br />
 
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===Gerd Luedemann===
 
 
Luedemann [''Jesus''], (137) accepts the form of the saying in Matt 5:14a as authentic, but considers the form in which it occurs in John 8:12 "unthinkable in the mouth of the historical Jesus" [p. 485]. While he accepts John 8:12 was taken from the tradition available to the evangelist, Luedemann [p. 495] points to the evangelist's hand in the wider use of this idea in John (1:4-9; 3:19-21; 9:5; 12:35-36). Thom 24:3 is considered inauthentic [p. 602].
 
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Latest revision as of 12:27, 12 December 2011

This page forms part of the resources for 021 The Worlds Light in the Jesus Database project of FaithFutures Foundation

Crossan Inventory | 021 Literature | 021 Parallels | 0021 Commentary | 021 Poetry | 021 Images | 021 Synopsis



Data

(1) GThom. 24:1-3 & P. Oxy. 655:24d
(2) Matt 5:14a
(3a?) Dial. Sav. 14
(3b?) Dial. Sav. 34
(4a) John 8:12
(4b) John 11:9-10
(4c) John 12:35-36

Crossan analysis:

Item: 21
Stratum: I (30-60 CE)
Attestation: Multiple
Historicity: +
Common Sayings Tradition: No

Texts

(1) Thom 24:1-3

His disciples said, "Show us the place where you are, for we must seek it." 2 He said to them, "Anyone here with two ears had better listen! 3 There is light within a person of light, and it shines on the whole world. If it does not shine, it is dark." [Complete Gospels]

No copies of this portion of Thomas survive in Greek. For the Coptic version see [Early Christian Writings]


=POxy 655

Ch. 24 3 [...] "There [is light within a person] of light, [and it shines on the whole] world. [If it does not shine], it is [dark]." [Complete Gospels]

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(2) Matt 5:14a

"You are the light of the world. A city built on a hill cannot be hid."

Ὑμεῖς ἐστε τὸ φῶς τοῦ κόσμου. οὐ δύναται πόλις κρυβῆναι ἐπάνω ὄρους κειμένη· (Matthew 5:14 GNT-T)




(3) DialSav

(?3a) DialSav 8

1 M[ar]y said, "Lord, tell me, from where [do I] carry the body [when I] weep, and from where (do I carry it) when I [laugh]?"


2 The Lord said, "[...] weep because of its works [...] remain and the mind laughs [...] [...] spirit. 3 If you do not [...the] darkness, you will [not] be able to see [the light]. 4 So then, I tell you [..of the] light is the darkness. 5 [And if you do not] stand in [the darkness, you will] not [be able] to see the light. 6 [...] the lie [...] were brought by [...] 7 You will give [...lig]ht and [...b]e forever. [...] in the [...] one [...] forever. 8 Then [all] the powers will [...] you, those that are above and those [that] are below, in the place where [there will] be weeping and gnashing of teeth concerning the end of a[ll] these [Complete Gospels]

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(?3b) DialSav 15

1 Judas responded, "Tell me, Lord, as for the shak[ing] that moves the earth---how does it move?"

2 The Lord took a sto[ne and] held it in his hand, [saying, "What] is this that I am holding in my hand?"
3 He said, "[It is] a stone."

4 He said to them, "That which supports the ear[th] is that which supports the heaven. 5 When a word comes forth from the Majesty, it will come upon that which supports the heaven and the earth. 6 For the earth <itself> does not move---if it moved it would fall---but <it does not fall> so that the first word might not be nullified. 7 For that is the one who established the world and came to be in it and received <sweet> fragrance from it. 8 For [...] thing that does not move I [...] you, all of humankind, for you are from that place: you are in the heart of those who speak from jo[y] and truth. 9 Even if it comes forth among humankind from the body of the Father and is not received, it returns again to its place. 10 The one who knows [..thi]ng(s) of perfection kno[ws] nothing. 11 If you do not stand in the darkness, you will not be able to see the light." [Complete Gospels]

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(4) John

(4a) John 1:1-5,9

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through him, and without him not one thing came into being. What has come into being 4 in him was life, and the life was the light of all people. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overcome it. ... 9 The true light, which enlightens everyone, was coming into the world.

Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος. οὗτος ἦν ἐν ἀρχῇ πρὸς τὸν θεόν. πάντα δι᾿ αὐτοῦ ἐγένετο, καὶ χωρὶς αὐτοῦ ἐγένετο οὐδὲ ἕν. ὃ γέγονεν ἐν αὐτῷ ζωὴ ἦν, καὶ ἡ ζωὴ ἦν τὸ φῶς τῶν ἀνθρώπων· καὶ τὸ φῶς ἐν τῇ σκοτίᾳ φαίνει, καὶ ἡ σκοτία αὐτὸ οὐ κατέλαβεν... Ἦν τὸ φῶς τὸ ἀληθινόν, ὃ φωτίζει πάντα ἄνθρωπον, ἐρχόμενον εἰς τὸν κόσμον. (John 1:1–5, 9 GNT-T)


(4b) John 8:12

Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness but will have the light of life."

Πάλιν οὖν αὐτοῖς ἐλάλησεν ὁ Ἰησοῦς λέγων· ἐγώ εἰμι τὸ φῶς τοῦ κόσμου· ὁ ἀκολουθῶν ἐμοὶ οὐ μὴ περιπατήσῃ ἐν τῇ σκοτίᾳ, ἀλλ᾿ ἕξει τὸ φῶς τῆς ζωῆς. (John 8:12 GNT-T)



? (4c) John 9:4-5

We must work the works of him who sent me while it is day; night is coming when no one can work. 5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world."

ἡμᾶς δεῖ ἐργάζεσθαι τὰ ἔργα τοῦ πέμψαντός με ἕως ἡμέρα ἐστίν· ἔρχεται νὺξ ὅτε οὐδεὶς δύναται ἐργάζεσθαι. ὅταν ἐν τῷ κόσμῳ ὦ, φῶς εἰμι τοῦ κόσμου. (John 9:4–5 GNT-T)


(4d) John 11:9-10

Jesus answered, "Are there not twelve hours of daylight? Those who walk during the day do not stumble, because they see the light of this world. 10 But those who walk at night stumble, because the light is not in them."

ἀπεκρίθη Ἰησοῦς· οὐχὶ δώδεκα ὧραί εἰσιν τῆς ἡμέρας; ἐάν τις περιπατῇ ἐν τῇ ἡμέρᾳ, οὐ προσκόπτει, ὅτι τὸ φῶς τοῦ κόσμου τούτου βλέπει· ἐὰν δέ τις περιπατῇ ἐν τῇ νυκτί, προσκόπτει, ὅτι τὸ φῶς οὐκ ἔστιν ἐν αὐτῷ. (John 11:9–10 GNT-T)


(4e) John 12:35-36

Jesus said to them, "The light is with you for a little longer. Walk while you have the light, so that the darkness may not overtake you. If you walk in the darkness, you do not know where you are going. 36 While you have the light, believe in the light, so that you may become children of light." After Jesus had said this, he departed and hid from them.

εἶπεν οὖν αὐτοῖς ὁ Ἰησοῦς· ἔτι μικρὸν χρόνον τὸ φῶς ἐν ὑμῖν ἐστιν. περιπατεῖτε ὡς τὸ φῶς ἔχετε, ἵνα μὴ σκοτία ὑμᾶς καταλάβῃ· καὶ ὁ περιπατῶν ἐν τῇ σκοτίᾳ οὐκ οἶδεν ποῦ ὑπάγει. ὡς τὸ φῶς ἔχετε, πιστεύετε εἰς τὸ φῶς, ἵνα υἱοὶ φωτὸς γένησθε. ταῦτα ἐλάλησεν Ἰησοῦς, καὶ ἀπελθὼν ἐκρύβη ἀπ᾿ αὐτῶν. (John 12:35–36 GNT-T)