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<blockquote> Jesus said to them, "If you fast, you will bring sin upon yourselves, 2 and if you pray, you will be condemned, 3 and if you give to charity, you will harm your spirits. 4 When you go into any region and walk about in the countryside, when people take you in, eat what they serve you and heal the sick among them. 5 After all, what goes into your mouth won't defile you; what comes out of your mouth will." [Complete Gospels] </blockquote>
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<blockquote> Jesus said to them, "If you fast, you will bring sin upon yourselves, 2 and if you pray, you will be condemned, 3 and if you give to charity, you will harm your spirits. 4 When you go into any region and walk about in the countryside, when people take you in, eat what they serve you and heal the sick among them. 5 After all, what goes into your mouth won't defile you; what comes out of your mouth will." [Complete Gospels] </blockquote><br>
  
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No copies of this portion of Thomas survive in Greek. For the Coptic version see [[http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/thomas/gospelthomas14.html Early Christian Writings]]
  
 
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μηδαμῶς, κύριε, ὅτι κοινὸν ἢ ἀκάθαρτον οὐδέποτε εἰσῆλθεν εἰς τὸ στόμα μου. (Acts 11:8 GNT-T)</blockquote>
 
μηδαμῶς, κύριε, ὅτι κοινὸν ἢ ἀκάθαρτον οὐδέποτε εἰσῆλθεν εἰς τὸ στόμα μου. (Acts 11:8 GNT-T)</blockquote>
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===John Dominic Crossan===
 
 
Crossan considers this to be the principal complex in a set of clusters around the deal of open or egalitarian commensality [''Historical Jesus''], (262). He comments:
 
 
<blockquote>As advocated in parable and acted out in practice, it involved very specific challenges from mesocosmic table to macrocosmic society. There is, first and above all, ''019 What Goes In'' [1/4], a complex that negates any value to food taboos or table rituals. The same point is made in [[102 Inside and Outside]] [1/2]. Together, they insist that the inside and what comes from inside out are more important than the outside and what comes from outside in. There is no need to presume that Jesus was speaking against the fully developed table rituals of the Pharisaic sect. An open table and an open menu offend alike against any cultural situation in which distinctions among food and guests mirror social distinctions, discriminations, and hierarchies. </blockquote>
 
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===Jesus Seminar===
 
 
The views of the Jesus Seminar on this item can be expressed as follows.
 
 
* <span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 0, 255);">Thom 14:5</span><br style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 0, 255);" />
 
* <span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 0, 255);">Mark 7:14-15</span><br style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 0, 255);" />
 
* <span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 0, 255);">Matt 15:10-11</span><br style="font-weight: bold;" />
 
* <span style="font-weight: bold;">Peter had a vision in which his traditional views on acceptable and unacceptable food were modified.</span><br style="font-weight: bold;" />
 
* <span style="font-weight: bold;">Peter clamed to have divine authority to pronounce judgments about acceptable and unacceptable food.</span><br style="font-weight: bold;" />
 
* <span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(153, 153, 153);">Peter was described by others as having divine authority to pronounce judgments about acceptable and unacceptable food.</span><br style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(153, 153, 153);" />
 
* <span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(153, 153, 153);">Petrine claims of authority to pronounce judgments about acceptable and unacceptable food were challenged by others in the early church.</span><br style="font-weight: bold;" />
 
* <span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Peter himself ate with Gentiles.</span><br style="font-weight: bold;" />
 
* <span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 0, 255);">Within a decade or two after the death of Jesus, some Jewish Christians abandoned the Jewish dietary regulations and thus opened the way for Gentile and Jewish Christians to eat together</span><br style="font-weight: bold;" />
 
* <span style="font-weight: bold;">Acts 10:9-16</span><br style="font-weight: bold;" />
 
* <span style="font-weight: bold;">Acts 11:4-17</span><br />
 
 
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===Gerd Luedemann===
 
 
Luedemann [''Jesus'', 48f] notes that vs. 15 is the oldest element of tradition in Mark 7:1-23. Since the logion does not directly address the issues in dispute (it concerns what may be eaten rather than the issue of cleanliness), it may have been handed down as an isolated tradition and inserted into this context by Mark. He cites the criteria of difference, rarity and coherence in support of the authenticity of the saying. While defending the historicity of the saying, Luedemann argues [''Jesus''], (597) that Thom 14:5 is dependent on Mark 7:15 because he judges Thom 14:4 to be dependent on the Q material seen in Luke 10:7-8.
 
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===John P.Meier===
 
 
Meier [''Marginal Jew''] (III,527f) notes that Jesus' attitude to table fellowship and food purity laws was so different from the sectarians at Qumran that "they did not exist in the same spiritual universe." He contrasts this with the Pharisees who, while differing with Jesus over points of interpretation and application, shred sufficient common ground to make dialogue and debate possible.
 
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Latest revision as of 12:20, 12 December 2011

This page forms part of the resources for 019 What Goes In in the Jesus Database project of FaithFutures Foundation

Crossan Inventory | 019 Literature | 019 Parallels | 019 Commentary | 019 Poetry | 019 Images | 019 Synopsis


Data

(1) GThom. 14:3
(2) Mark 7:14-15
(3) Matt 15:10-11
(4a) Acts 10:14b
(4b) Acts 11:8b

Crossan analysis:

Item: 19
Stratum: I (30-60 CE)
Attestation: Multiple
Historicity: +
Common Sayings Tradition: No

Texts

(1) Thom 14:5

Jesus said to them, "If you fast, you will bring sin upon yourselves, 2 and if you pray, you will be condemned, 3 and if you give to charity, you will harm your spirits. 4 When you go into any region and walk about in the countryside, when people take you in, eat what they serve you and heal the sick among them. 5 After all, what goes into your mouth won't defile you; what comes out of your mouth will." [Complete Gospels]

No copies of this portion of Thomas survive in Greek. For the Coptic version see [Early Christian Writings]



(2) Mark 7:14-15

Now when the Pharisees and some of the scribes who had come from Jerusalem gathered around him, 2 they noticed that some of his disciples were eating with defiled hands, that is, without washing them. 3 (For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, do not eat unless they thoroughly wash their hands, thus observing the tradition of the elders; 4 and they do not eat anything from the market unless they wash it; and there are also many other traditions that they observe, the washing of cups, pots, and bronze kettles.) 5 So the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, "Why do your disciples not live according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?" 6 He said to them, "Isaiah prophesied rightly about you hypocrites, as it is written, 'This people honors me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me; 7 in vain do they worship me, teaching human precepts as doctrines.' 8 You abandon the commandment of God and hold to human tradition." 9 Then he said to them, "You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition! 10 For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother'; and, 'Whoever speaks evil of father or mother must surely die.' 11 But you say that if anyone tells father or mother, 'Whatever support you might have had from me is Corban' (that is, an offering to God)-- 12 then you no longer permit doing anything for a father or mother, 13 thus making void the word of God through your tradition that you have handed on. And you do many things like this." 14 Then he called the crowd again and said to them, "Listen to me, all of you, and understand: 15 there is nothing outside a person that by going in can defile, but the things that come out are what defile."

Καὶ προσκαλεσάμενος πάλιν τὸν ὄχλον ἔλεγεν αὐτοῖς· ἀκούσατέ μου πάντες καὶ σύνετε. οὐδέν ἐστιν ἔξωθεν τοῦ ἀνθρώπου εἰσπορευόμενον εἰς αὐτὸν ὃ δύναται κοινῶσαι αὐτόν, ἀλλὰ τὰ ἐκ τοῦ ἀνθρώπου ἐκπορευόμενά ἐστιν τὰ κοινοῦντα τὸν ἄνθρωπον. (Mark 7:14–15 GNT-T)



(3) Matt 15:10-11

Then Pharisees and scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, 2 "Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands before they eat." 3 He answered them, "And why do you break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'Whoever speaks evil of father or mother must surely die.' 5 But you say that whoever tells father or mother, 'Whatever support you might have had from me is given to God,' then that person need not honor the father. 6 So, for the sake of your tradition, you make void the word of God. 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah prophesied rightly about you when he said: 8 'This people honors me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me; 9 in vain do they worship me, teaching human precepts as doctrines.' " 10 Then he called the crowd to him and said to them, "Listen and understand: 11 it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but it is what comes out of the mouth that defiles."

καὶ προσκαλεσάμενος τὸν ὄχλον εἶπεν αὐτοῖς· ἀκούετε καὶ συνίετε· οὐ τὸ εἰσερχόμενον εἰς τὸ στόμα κοινοῖ τὸν ἄνθρωπον, ἀλλὰ τὸ ἐκπορευόμενον ἐκ τοῦ στόματος τοῦτο κοινοῖ τὸν ἄνθρωπον. (Matthew 15:10–11 GNT-T)



(4) Acts

(4a) Acts 10:14b

About noon the next day, as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat; and while it was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw the heaven opened and something like a large sheet coming down, being lowered to the ground by its four corners. 12 In it were all kinds of four-footed creatures and reptiles and birds of the air. 13 Then he heard a voice saying, "Get up, Peter; kill and eat." 14 But Peter said, "By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is profane or unclean." 15 The voice said to him again, a second time, "What God has made clean, you must not call profane." 16 This happened three times, and the thing was suddenly taken up to heaven.

εἶπεν· μηδαμῶς, κύριε, ὅτι οὐδέποτε ἔφαγον πᾶν κοινὸν καὶ ἀκάθαρτον. (Acts 10:14 GNT-T)



(4b) Acts 11:8b

Then Peter began to explain it to them, step by step, saying, 5 "I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision. There was something like a large sheet coming down from heaven, being lowered by its four corners; and it came close to me. 6 As I looked at it closely I saw four-footed animals, beasts of prey, reptiles, and birds of the air. 7 I also heard a voice saying to me, 'Get up, Peter; kill and eat.' 8 But I replied, 'By no means, Lord; for nothing profane or unclean has ever entered my mouth.' 9 But a second time the voice answered from heaven, 'What God has made clean, you must not call profane.' 10 This happened three times; then everything was pulled up again to heaven.

μηδαμῶς, κύριε, ὅτι κοινὸν ἢ ἀκάθαρτον οὐδέποτε εἰσῆλθεν εἰς τὸ στόμα μου. (Acts 11:8 GNT-T)